Soo mad!

[Gigglelover]

I cant figure out why my horse is getting beat in events by horses that are up to 1 point lower in each stat. She's shoed, and tacked with 100% quality stuff. Her mood is Hyper of Very Hyper at all time. I even have the SF at 225.562% and Endy at 208.52. And she is a BC foal competing in u8 events. (when she was 8 and under.) But this last one she was over at in a u8 event. Was she pentalised?

Horse: http://www.virtualhorseranch.com/viewho ... se=2159025

Competitions (all of them): http://www.virtualhorseranch.com/events ... se=2159025

[Sutton]

She isn't meth'd/hyper enough.

[Gigglelover]

She isn't meth'd/hyper enough.

Gave her meth and it still had the same results.

[Shekeira]

She isn't meth'd/hyper enough.

Gave her meth and it still had the same results.

Did you cure her immediately afterwards?

[Gigglelover]

She isn't meth'd/hyper enough.

Gave her meth and it still had the same results.

Did you cure her immediately afterwards?

No...

[Gigglelover]

She isn't meth'd/hyper enough.

Gave her meth and it still had the same results.

Did you cure her immediately afterwards?

Still the same results....

[Gigglelover]

Heres a good example of a horse she got beat by: (and all the others 2nd place and down) http://www.virtualhorseranch.com/viewho ... se=2103782
In this http://www.virtualhorseranch.com/events ... ent=573831

[Sutton]

She isn't meth'd/hyper enough.

Gave her meth and it still had the same results.

Did you cure her immediately afterwards?

Still the same results....

Have any events run since then?

[Kholran]

A few things:

-If she's in U8 events, and she's not under 8, she's going to be penalized. Horses over the age limit are not meant to win.

-Most people choose to Meth x3, Turn, Cure x1, let horse sit for events. If the health is not full (happens if you meth and don't cure) or hyperness isn't "full" (happens if you don't meth x3 after training) then the horse isn't going to do as well as a horse that has full hyper AND full health.

-Hidden factors may not be as good. Your horse's personality is different than the winners (didn't check all of the events, just a few), height is different, etc. That could play a part.

-There's more to eventing than just which decimal numbers are highest. Horses with slightly lower stats frequently beat horses with higher numbers because of other factors. For example, the theory is that stats are a ratio. A horse that is 205 Speed, but only has a stat title of Superb is going to get a better score than a horse with 205 Speed with an Extro title. The idea is that it's harder to raise a lower stat to the same decimal number, so the farther you have to raise it, the more 'points' a horse gets towards its final score. So even a 204/Superb is going to be better than a 205/Incon, because the person had to work a lot harder from the beginning Superb stat (around 86-87) than the person who had the Extro stat (around 97-98). Subtract the ending stat from the starting stat, and you can see the difference in gain: Superb (205-86) gains 119, Extro (205-97) gains 108. The horse that gains more to get to the same place tends to score higher. Of course, it's not that simple with all the other factors that go into eventing, but just because a horse is BC doesn't mean it's automatically going to beat one that isn't.

[Gigglelover]

Kholran to the rescue! Thanks, hopefully she can do good in u9.

[quasarsmom]

Though it may be nothing....

I've noticed that my horses (in stock speed events) with higher W/P/S records tend to have Speed 1+ points ahead of strength (not including shoe bonus for sprint), none of my ApQHs run BC most are one or two off in strength. If you look at most of the more recent ApQH successful eventers most (not all) that are Phenomenal in strength have Inconceivable in Speed (which is very close to breaking BC, many are being born Inconceivable or roll to it quickly in training)....

Sorry for ramblin' on, the pure ApQH is a passion of mine in this game.

Your horse's personality is different than the winners

I went through and checked many of my eventers and ones that failed from my lines, I don't have any with the quirk: Unpredictable (so it quite possibly could be a culprit), height seems okay to me

[Zimmy]

-There's more to eventing than just which decimal numbers are highest. Horses with slightly lower stats frequently beat horses with higher numbers because of other factors. For example, the theory is that stats are a ratio. A horse that is 205 Speed, but only has a stat title of Superb is going to get a better score than a horse with 205 Speed with an Extro title. The idea is that it's harder to raise a lower stat to the same decimal number, so the farther you have to raise it, the more 'points' a horse gets towards its final score. So even a 204/Superb is going to be better than a 205/Incon, because the person had to work a lot harder from the beginning Superb stat (around 86-87) than the person who had the Extro stat (around 97-98). Subtract the ending stat from the starting stat, and you can see the difference in gain: Superb (205-86) gains 119, Extro (205-97) gains 108. The horse that gains more to get to the same place tends to score higher. Of course, it's not that simple with all the other factors that go into eventing, but just because a horse is BC doesn't mean it's automatically going to beat one that isn't.

I beleive this to be dead on about the Punker that she complains is beating her... Punk Rock Stock Steed BC is Am/EG/Am/EG... where an appendix is Ph/S/PH/EG... Punkers are born with higher stats than an AQH by some, but no where NEAR what a 'normal' Appendix has. (Punker strength and speed are around 107, this is significantly lower than most Appendixs, at least in speed). I mean, I can take a DoC or even a VIKING horse and have it win in barrels, I obviously don't do it by getting the number OVER the Appendix speed, wouldn't be able to... it HAS to have something to do with stats as a ratio... at least in my opinion... and... I think we saw this more often in other events too before events got all screwy, lol, I know before the switch in Jumping I could make just about ANY sport horse win some money, it was all in the training, not in the stats the breed had...

**EDIT**
can also be seen in track where many winners are one below in strength and plenty are two below... mine are usually BC and that works also, but it doesn't keep the lower statted ones from being able to win as well... there are plenty of examples of this floating around and I hope that events can be fixed to where we start to see this more because it really means a chance at using some breeds that don't get much use right now...