what's wrong with endurance..?

[pinkona_]

So I trained this horse the regular way, halter, then obstacle training, and endurance remained untouched until I started training gaited to raise sf and movement... Now it just stoped at 138 and won't raise anymore..

http://www.virtualhorseranch.com/viewho ... se=1734677

What happened? Do we have to use different diets? It just got stuck there..

Hope someone can help me out, thanks.

[Jellybeanjoe]

What personal level are you?

I've had similar problems too, and have mentioned it to the other Ops.

I found my Level 7 account raised Endy more in normal training than my level 50 account

[pinkona_]

What personal level are you?

I've had similar problems too, and have mentioned it to the other Ops.

I found my Level 7 account raised Endy more in normal training than my level 50 account

yeah I'm lvl 50 as well... Not sure what's happening..

Oh and noticed something else too. I was retraining a horse from racing to jumping, and the only training type that raised Jumping level was actually Arena:Jumping, and it only raised 0.06 each time...

[Chione]

O.O

I haven't noticed anything... Although I pretty much always use a low diet..

Edit: Just started training a new horse and there's no difference in endurance gain for me.

But my level is 18 because it got dropped down from 36; maybe it was a blessing in disguise...

[DottieDottie]

I've been changing the diet to
15/15/15/15 instead of 35/15/35/15 when endurance is around 160. 10/10/10/10 instead of 15/15/15/15 when endurance is about 170. 5/5/5/5 instead of 10/10/10/10 when endurance is about 180
and then I'm still struggling to get it up.
I'm level 47 and I noticed it was affecting endurance.
I'm struggling to keep horses energy up lowering the diets so early. I can't alway get 6 trainings a turn.

[pinkona_]

well but endurance on this horse got stuck at 138... And I can't make it go up using diets (I've tried), it just doesn't work...

[DottieDottie]

I've just been training one of mine and it has got worse. Have you tried changing the diet to 10/5/10/5 and that actually got my horse http://www.virtualhorseranch.com/viewho ... se=1669877 roll prepped but it finished older than I would of expected for a 1 off BC horse. I've just finished that horse now.

[Chione]

I'd make a ticket and put the horse away for now...

[pinkona_]

Yes I tryed some crazy diets with this mare
http://www.virtualhorseranch.com/viewho ... se=1708625

and she got the endurance at 200, and finished at about 7 years old...

That's a lot.. Imagine the racers...

[Nefertete]

Hi there,

I believe when you had the energy training bonus, your horses would not get tired enough for the +.25 bonus

Here is the change I made-
now when your horse is below 95% energy, it gains .15 in endurance in a train.

As opposed to being below 75% and it would gain .25

Seeing how this goes- it might be too strong.

[Nefertete]

Already reverted it back- for stat rollers


Does the diet exploit work good enough? if not complain on and I will think of another solution

[DottieDottie]

Nef,
Thanks for looking into it
Endurance is driving me mad. I have trained quite a few since it was changed and it is hard with the low diet.
If I reduce the diet to get the endurance the horse is getting exhausted or I'm only getting 3 or 4 goes a turn.
If I just leave the diet and don't get any increase in endurance at the start it means I have to train endurance forever at the end to catch it up with all the other maxxed stats.
I'm struggling to max a horse at anywhere near where I used to. I've got it down to about 6yo or just above to max while before the same type of horse would of maxxed 5.5yo or possibly lower.
It is annoying me that much I've turned down business to max other peoples horses as I know I can't do them as well as I used to. I've even returned to my confi horses to avoid training!
I understand it is possible some people think it is better this way. If it is hear to stay which option on the bonuses makes it happen so I can remove it to go back to my old ways?
Thank you and sorry for ranting on.

[Mythara]

Nef,
Thanks for looking into it
Endurance is driving me mad. I have trained quite a few since it was changed and it is hard with the low diet.
If I reduce the diet to get the endurance the horse is getting exhausted or I'm only getting 3 or 4 goes a turn.
If I just leave the diet and don't get any increase in endurance at the start it means I have to train endurance forever at the end to catch it up with all the other maxxed stats.
I'm struggling to max a horse at anywhere near where I used to. I've got it down to about 6yo or just above to max while before the same type of horse would of maxxed 5.5yo or possibly lower.
It is annoying me that much I've turned down business to max other peoples horses as I know I can't do them as well as I used to. I've even returned to my confi horses to avoid training!
I understand it is possible some people think it is better this way. If it is hear to stay which option on the bonuses makes it happen so I can remove it to go back to my old ways?
Thank you and sorry for ranting on.

It's the Rest less one. I've swapped mine out for the time being.

[DottieDottie]

Think I'll go remove it too thank you.

[Swar]

Hi there,

I believe when you had the energy training bonus, your horses would not get tired enough for the +.25 bonus

Here is the change I made-
now when your horse is below 95% energy, it gains .15 in endurance in a train.

As opposed to being below 75% and it would gain .25

Seeing how this goes- it might be too strong.

I didn't select this skill as I do track racers and it is difficult to get their endurance up in time to event but I have been thinking.

The point of this skill is to be able to fit in more trainings, especially for horses with horrid endurance right?

Endurance for me, is almost always what determines the age of my finished horse and/or the amount of energy they have for training. Since endurance gain, or rather lack of it, while using this skill seems to be the hangup then would it be possible to adjust it from a reverse point of view. Bear with me lol I am trying to collect my thoughts on a slippery concept.

Since this skill is not supposed to change the amount of stats a horse gains while training, endurance gain needs to be looked at for those accounts using this skill, as you have tried it looks like.

Certain endurance earmarks I use are.

130 endurance: allows 6 full gaited trains
150 endurance: allows 6 full polo trains ( oddly, unless I am hallucinating, this is around 130ish mark today, although I swear....)
165 endurance: allows 6 full track(endurance) trains

Since everything except teamwork(which seems to use a %), seems to use a fixed amount of energy a horse being trained with this skill, should be able to do 6 full gaits at 117 endurance, 6 polos at 135 and 6 track(end) at 148.5. That, theoretically, should allow endurance gains to stay on track. Diets as well, if you normally start end diet at 170 then it would need to be started at around 150 for these horses instead. So, actually now I am thinking perhaps the skill is fine but that training methods must change in order to use it effectively. A bit of a complicated skill to use but perhaps just needs more testing as it is now, before trying to adjust endurance gain to match the old way of training.

*edited* I will go test this with two horses now. One with no skill and my prior training methods and one with the skill and training adjustments. I'll add the horses in a bit.